Royals Edit

I hope you don't get challenged by anyone who reads Mountbatten-Windsor (surname). You're a good bloke. -- Robin Patterson (Talk) 00:50, February 1, 2018 (UTC)

I carefully read that, and it doesn't mention Charles. Chronologically, it is certainly not his birth surname. I am not really sure what to do about it, but I am heartily sick of people whose only contribution is to farnarkle around with Royalty, and not create anything new. Thurstan (talk) 02:24, February 1, 2018 (UTC)
Agreeing in general, but see ---- Robin Patterson (Talk) 10:59, February 11, 2018 (UTC)

One of your Aussie pages Edit shows a few changes and may be worth a look if you've not noticed it - and an updating of sources if poss. -- Robin Patterson (Talk) 10:54, February 11, 2018 (UTC)

Cooperation Edit

Here I am composing a message to Grace-somebody about how she can enhance her new page and you've already improved it! So I can modify my message slightly. I'll give William a tree page but Grace can do the rest. -- Robin Patterson (Talk) 02:10, February 16, 2018 (UTC)

I have added more of the details from my DB. I would suggest, when a new contributor gets the page-name format correct, you do a "what links here" to find out which red-link they clicked on. Thurstan (talk) 03:27, February 16, 2018 (UTC)

Residence Edit

Mate, there's a simple-looking question right at the bottom of - your opinion, please! ---- Robin Patterson (Talk) 06:45, April 29, 2018 (UTC)

The "where to set" question? I am a bit worried about the complications of Form:Person. I think it would be safer to do it in {{showfacts residences}} (analogious to {{showfacts children}}). If the "sub-forms" are working again, even better. Thurstan (talk) 06:50, April 29, 2018 (UTC)

Property ... _location and _place Edit

Wondering whether "place" or "location" was a now disused property-ending, I looked at wedding19 and its suffixes of those names. You created them both in 2015, 12 minutes apart. That didn't answer the question. Where should I look next? -- Robin Patterson (Talk) 06:40, May 2, 2018 (UTC)

Looking at Property:Birth location I see that it has some of the parts of the birth place as subproperties, so it looks like the "location" property has (in this case) been created as a super-property. I don't know if this is useful. On the other hand, Property:Birth place is a "derivative property" (as its description says). It is set by {{Showfacts person}} from the constituent properties of the birth place, and used by templates like {{Showfacts biography}} so that they don't have to recompute the property. So unlike the "location" case, the "place" properties are alive and well, being set and used. Thurstan (talk) 07:11, May 2, 2018 (UTC)
In fact, Property:Birth location does have a use: if you query for "Birth location" equal "London" (for example), you will get the pages which have any of the properties "Birth county", "Birth locality", "Birth location", "Birth nation", "Birth nation-subdiv1" set to London. Thurstan (talk) 08:55, May 2, 2018 (UTC)
Whereas querying for "birth place" equals London, you get few pages because you presumably miss pages that have, e.g., London as locality but also something bigger, such as England, which would give birth_place="London, England"? I think I saw a hint of that in the differing descriptions of wedding9_place and wedding9_location (which latter calls itself a category and seems to have one or two too many subproperties, but that's another discussion), both created by you in 2015 but over 6 months apart . "Birth_location" would be useful for catching the people who have a name in the "wrong" field but also for the majority who get it right. Could you modify "_place" so that it did both jobs and made "_location" redundant? -- Robin Patterson (Talk) 09:25, May 2, 2018 (UTC)
No, because place has a completely different function, as outlined above. Thurstan (talk) 10:23, May 2, 2018 (UTC)

Baronets Edit

I would like to see input from you at and the section that follows it, as you created a Baronet page very recently. -- Robin Patterson (Talk) 11:22, May 4, 2018 (UTC)

Minor edits Edit

I wonder whether adding {{{standard input|minor edit}}} to the creation pages for sensor, tree, and descendants would save you and me when scrutinising Recent Changes (and maybe all of us who diligently check that box) a bit of time? ---- Robin Patterson (Talk) 04:18, May 6, 2018 (UTC)

Worth a try: I didn't even know that we could do that! Thurstan (talk) 04:27, May 6, 2018 (UTC)

Sorry - wasting your time again, probably! What I meant was - can we make the "tick" the default for that checkbox (which is already there). Just as the "Watch this page" checkbox is checked by default for those people who add pages they create or edit to their watchlists. (I do.) I should probably search the MW website to see where it's covered and who has the power to change the default. -- Robin Patterson (Talk) 06:37, May 7, 2018 (UTC)

I know that years ago I contacted central admin to see if we could get the "Rename subpages (up to 100)" box ticked by default on the "rename" function, and they said that they would not change the standard software for a particular wiki, so I don't know what to do about this one. Is there an SMW option? I can't really test it, because I automatically get "minor edit" selected. Thurstan (talk) 07:13, May 7, 2018 (UTC)
Ah, all your edits are minor by default. (I wonder whether we should invite Andrei to set his that way so that we see fewer East European categories!) OK, think no more of it. I'll see what I can find. (Surprising that "rename subpages" isn't ticked by default - you surely get in a mess most times on any wiki if you don't rename the subpages to match.) -- Robin Patterson (Talk) 10:18, May 7, 2018 (UTC)
Progress, maybe. I found this on in the list of the "Field" tag's allowed parameters:
  • "default=default value - Specifies a default value for this field. This default only takes effect when creating a new page, not when editing existing pages. For date-related fields, default=now will set the value to the current date and possibly time. For text fields, default=current user will set the value to the username of the user adding this page. For the checkbox input type, default=yes will check the checkbox by default..."
However, the "'standard input' tag" paragraph on that page you cite seems to tell me the "watch" has a parameter 'checked' which does what you want, implying (to me) that the other checkbox does not have such a parameter. I also think that it also implies that these is no "default" parameter either except when it is mentioned for the "free text" input. A quick test seems to confirm it doesn't work. Thurstan (talk) 21:59, May 9, 2018 (UTC)
Unless you are really keen, you can leave me to fiddle with it (in the morning or later). It possibly hasn't yet been implemented in our version of SF. -- Robin Patterson (Talk) 12:20, May 7, 2018 (UTC)
Here's a coincidence that could give you another laugh at my expense. I just found -- Robin Patterson (Talk) 11:16, May 9, 2018 (UTC)

Keen "anonymous" contributor Edit

You may like to look at some time and see whether you agree with me. -- Robin Patterson (Talk) 11:13, May 8, 2018 (UTC)

It looks like another of our teenage boys to me. Thurstan (talk) 20:03, May 8, 2018 (UTC)
It also looks like User:Maboyce716 to me. Thurstan (talk) 20:06, May 8, 2018 (UTC)
Not sure about the former; see also Maryann Rose Ferrigno (1967) and my addition to the standard welcome at Yes to the latter (he or she is the dominant contributor to the Movies Wiki but hasn't been welcomed!), similar deficient "person form" - (Created page with "{{Showfacts person}} {{Couple ancestors}} {{notable family}}") or (Created page with "{{Showfacts person}} {{children-g1=Marla Charendoff (1971)+Tara Charendoff (1973)}} {{Siblings}} {{showfacts awards}}{{showfacts journeys}} {{showfacts residences}} {{showfac...") - and same "failure" to respond to talk page. Contributions probably generally accurate, though, from the random checking I've done. -- Robin Patterson (Talk) 05:23, May 9, 2018 (UTC)
Actually the genealogy is beginning to smell like "Blue Lake Texans" to me. Thurstan (talk) 03:04, March 14, 2019 (UTC)

Italian Edit

I'm glad you're editing the new categories. When you've got a minute, please see Pauolomaldonato's talk page. You could ask him not to do the categories but he seems to be uninterested in his talk page. I'm creating the alternative template I suggested for him. -- Robin Patterson (Talk) 01:01, May 12, 2018 (UTC)

I don't think it is a good idea to have a parallel set of categories in Italian! That seems excessive to me. If I am looking for someone surnamed "Smith", do I have to look in the "surname Smith" category in every language we support to find him? Thurstan (talk) 02:58, May 12, 2018 (UTC)
You could be quite right. My recent work has been a little tentative, trying to get easy ways of linking the Italian-language surname articles to everything we would want them to. When my computer is fixed or replaced, I'll have a closer look. Meanwhile, you're most welcome to look at the new templates (which probably need a bit of refinement) and see whether you have a better idea for that linking. (If thingydonato persists, maybe a 24-hour block could make him attend to his talk page?) -- Robin Patterson (Talk) 06:34, May 13, 2018 (UTC)
I have partly reverted but I'm not sure how far to go. Please have a look at and give us your further thoughts. I have sent a similar message to rtol and afil. -- Robin Patterson (Talk) 12:54, May 20, 2018 (UTC)

Copying from Wikipedia Edit

WP now has a {{Ahnentafel}}. See its red link where I have just put it on Frances Ruth Burke Roche (1936-2004). We may want it on more than one page and should therefore probably adapt it - or use it unchanged if that will work. Please have a look at the original and see what our options are. -- Robin Patterson (Talk) 10:19, May 20, 2018 (UTC)

Well, the Wikipedia history says "starting a merged version of Template:Ahnentafel-compact4, Template:Ahnentafel-compact5, Template:Ahnentafel-compact6, still needs work", so we can probably just use our existing ones. As it is, with our /tree subpages, we need never put an Ahnentafel on anyone's main page! Thurstan (talk) 10:32, May 20, 2018 (UTC)

James Blofeld Edit

On the recommendation of Dick Eastman (genealogist - I signed up to the site (Familypedia) a few days ago and entered my first person James Blofeld (1785-1844). I was going to enter more details and other persons as and when I got time.

I know this is a WIKI and people can add / alter things but I was very surprised to find that someone called Thurstan added that my ancestor came from the Land of Canaan. Apparently Canaan spanned the years 2000 through 1001 BC. I am happy to accept and perhaps discuss with others info that happened in my ancestors lifetime and afterwards plus other near relatives but think that this ancient fact/comment is not appropriate.

At first I thought that this addition was just SPAM and someone was playing the fool but I have now learned from Chen Shen Community Manager that you are one of the Administrators and it was you that added this comment. I would be very pleased to learn why you added the bit about my ancestors connection with the Land of Canaan.

Blofeld ons

09:57, July 18, 2018 (UTC)

You have been misinformed: the comment has been added automatically by the Wiki software. You claimed that James Blofeld's mother was Mary, who maps to Mary (mother of Jesus), who has been described as coming from the Land of Canaan. I suggest that you review the pagename conventions for this wiki, and note that all people entered (father, mother, spouse, children, etc) should include their vital dates. Otherwise you will find yourself claiming strange connections. Thurstan (talk) 10:52, July 18, 2018 (UTC)

Re James Blofeld. Thank you, I will edit Mary (and Thomas) to give some approx. dates

Blofeld ons (talk) 16:04, July 18, 2018 (UTC)

photo to be deleted Edit

Hi, can you delete these two images? Thank you. 13:56, July 29, 2018 (UTC)

My talk page is dealing with the same request. --- Robin Patterson (Talk) 01:56, July 30, 2018 (UTC)
Thank you. I had been following. I note that
  1. File:Massimo_Chiacchio_hot_5.jpg is a version of commons:File:Giuseppe Verdi by Giovanni Boldini.jpg
  2. File:Massimo Chiacchio (4).jpg seems to have always been a plate of pasta.
  3. the requester has just uploaded 60+ new verions of File:Massimo Chiacchio abbronzato.jpg, which seems to be variations on commons:File:Gérard Depardieu Cannes 2015 3.jpg.
Thurstan (talk) 03:19, July 30, 2018 (UTC)

Please, can you remove these photos, are they without the consent of a person I know? I uploaded photos of a friend of mine, he wants them to be removed because they appear on search engines. The photos are uploaded from my old account Giocondo21

User:Ciro Pierratra 05:09, August 6, 2018 (UTC)

Story about my grandfather Edit

Is it okay if I created a page involving my grandfather? I know, he's definitely not an ancestor, but he was a really important person I knew. ~Signed JustLeafy ( ͡| ͜' ͡| ) | USER WALL | 16:24, August 12, 2018 (UTC)

Ludwig Franz Zahradnicky Edit

Thank you for helping out with Ludwig Franz Zahradnicky. I'm new to this and need all the help I can get. Will you please assist to edit his Wife's details? Erika Elisabeth Pfänder, born 02 February 1927 in Tsumeb,Namibia. Born to: Katharina (Käthe) Dengler and Richard Pfänder. Passed away on 06 May 2004. Sbo05 (talk) 08:18, September 15, 2018 (UTC) 

Okay - I need the vital dates for her parents to create the links. Thurstan (talk) 08:25, September 15, 2018 (UTC)

New Zealand War Memorial Records Edit

Googling the above found at the top of the hit list. Any good? --- Robin Patterson (Talk) 05:59, November 6, 2018 (UTC)

Thank you: it doesn't seem to have more on him than the CWGC. I am wondering whether he was actually living in NZ, and given that he was actually 34, if he had a family there. The Australian genealogists all marry him to his father's second wife, and don't know when he died! Thurstan (talk) 06:18, November 6, 2018 (UTC)

update from WP Edit

When you "Update from Wikipedia" - as I see you have done more than once to Pennsylvania before my very recent addition of a significant external link - how do you avoid deleting material added by FP contributors? --- Robin Patterson (Talk) 05:12, November 26, 2018 (UTC)

I don't. Thurstan (talk) 09:56, November 26, 2018 (UTC)
The long version: most "Updates from Wikipedia" are triggered by anonymous contributions which are either:
  • addition or substitution of a URL for a commercial service or estiblishment
  • adding a random name to the "prominent people" list, often a sportsman or similar
The first smells like spam to me, the second like faking or personal taste. In either case, if the change is legitimate, it should be done on the Wikipedia article to pass that vetting. I think that if you have a "significant external link", then you should add it to the Wikipedia article. If it is too genealogically specific to pass the Wikipedia police, then perhaps you should create a link-farm page for genealogical resources at that level. Otherwise when we came to update the article to catch up with political changes or category renaming, your link is likely to disappear. Thurstan (talk) 00:16, November 27, 2018 (UTC)
Thank you for the long version. It's still a disappointment. Most of my additions (encouraged by the template at the top of many place pages urging the addition of genealogical material) are extremely genealogical. And I think we could well do without transitory material such as Mayors on Familypedia and therefore need little or no updating. Do you wipe the whole article and replace it and renew the bdm and usedwps, or do you leave the bdm and usedwps in place? If it's the latter, could you just as easily leave the External links and anything below them in place too? That's where most of my additions go. --- Robin Patterson (Talk) 04:16, January 7, 2019 (UTC)
Not really - the other item reason for update the whole article is the continual churn of the Wikipedia categories as every 12-year-old boy of non-English speaking origin tries to make his mark. However, I have slowed down a little since AWB has stopped working some months ago. Thurstan (talk) 04:21, January 7, 2019 (UTC)

Page moves Edit

Hello Thurston,

I’m new on Familypedia, but have extended trees on Wikitree and Myherritage. My general research focus are my direct ancestors. I'm also a sucker for any potential lines back to Charlemagne. I've now proved 3 lines back to Charlemagne and those lines I want to insert with a rich biography and sources.

But I have a (knowledge) problem I cann’t solve. I have changed the page name in “Godfried van Leuven-Gaasbeek (1209-1254)”, but lost with this mutaties the link with /tree and /descendants. Hoe can I solve this?


(Richard Goossens (talk) 10:34, December 1, 2018 (UTC))

There are two things to be aware of when you have to rename pages (this is a difficult area):
  • You should tick the "Rename subpages" box so that the subpages move with the main page
  • The "/sensor" page holds the results of calculations for the other pages, so that after a page move you may have to "null edit" the sensor page, and then the other pages, so that they are all up to date.
Thurstan (talk) 19:23, December 1, 2018 (UTC)
Please note that we no longer use question marks in page name, since the software doesn't cope well with it. Thurstan (talk) 00:19, December 2, 2018 (UTC)


You clearly have a block of code that you cleverly use when updating person articles, such as the following:

But surely the NOTOC is a waste of space since we revised the standard coding to show TOC between minibio and siblings?

--- Robin Patterson (Talk) 05:47, December 11, 2018 (UTC)

YOB- Edit

Project:Page names says (inter alia):

For living individuals (or individuals who are presumed to be living), use only birth year in parentheses (with no hyphen). If you want extra privacy, replace the whole date thing with "(living)".

Your edit summary for the previous edit in the above change - - suggests a difference of opinion. Barbara was born about 4 years before me but there is nothing in the article to suggest that she has died. Do you agree with the stated policy and/or would you recommend a change?

--- Robin Patterson (Talk) 06:17, December 11, 2018 (UTC)

I have always disagreed with the policy. I don't think the "-" should depend on my opinion about whether or not some random person is still alive. I remember a long time ago a contributor expressing the opinion that a single date represents a person who was born and died in the same year, so I don't think that it is a univeral standard. Incidently, what is your opinion about all our pages about roller-coasters? Thurstan (talk) 06:22, December 11, 2018 (UTC)
Your answer is clear to me. And I believe the hyphen has more logic behind it. Some websites use "19xx-Present", where the hyphen certainly doesn't indicate death. And the hyphen does clarify that the single year is a birth year. Let's propose an official change - on a forum or blog post! --- Robin Patterson (Talk) 04:23, January 7, 2019 (UTC)

Adminship Edit

I would like to see your comment on the recent addition to Familypedia:Requests for adminship. --- Robin Patterson (Talk) 05:17, February 23, 2019 (UTC)

Place-page infobox problem Edit

Repentigny, Quebec is a recent addition by boyce. I've fixed the last few lines. But I have not added bdm and not tried to see why the infobox is 100% width. I wonder whether your eagle eye (helped by WP code experience) can home in on the offending code in the infobox. ----- Robin Patterson (Talk) 00:28, February 24, 2019 (UTC)

The "highway" signs are being diplayed full width. All that stuff has been migrated to script on Wikipedia, so we don't match. I usually just delete the "highways" line from the infobox. Thurstan (talk) 01:08, February 24, 2019 (UTC)

Progress? Edit

I'm learning. had a split WP infobox. Then I just deleted its marriage parameter and all was well. ----- Robin Patterson (Talk) 02:12, March 2, 2019 (UTC)

I've seen that one: {{marriage}} uses {{Event}}, and with the parameters used by {{marriage}} has an unterminated HTML element, which breaks the infobox. There are lots of this sort of thing on Wikipedia: that is what their HTMLTidy fixes. Thurstan (talk) 02:41, March 2, 2019 (UTC)

Template for Cemetery Burials Edit

Hi Thurstan, I've start building out a detail list of my own relatives buried at Mount Pisgah Cemetery, Iowa. I recall seeing recently that you had created a template for a burial listings page and I would like to include it here. MainTour (talk) 20:33, April 14, 2019 (UTC)

That would be {{Bdm1/burials}}. Thurstan (talk) 21:31, April 14, 2019 (UTC)
Got it Mount Pisgah Cemetery, Iowa/burials. But now what is the way to add it to the menu on the main page Mount Pisgah Cemetery, Iowa?
We would probably normally call the subpage "Mount Pisgah Cemetery, Iowa/bdm" and put {{bdm}} on top of the main page. Since this is a general problem for cemeteries, I might do another version of {{bdm}} for cemeteries for you (with a heading of "burials" on the tab?). Thurstan (talk) 05:43, April 15, 2019 (UTC)

Richard PalmerEdit

Thanks Thurstan. The parentage on Rochard Palmer is dubious at best so i have put the question marks so future researchers will know that what is up needs evidence. Can;t seem to delete the parents once they have been included. 

Which way do you want to jump: you can't have it both ways. You have created pages for Richard Palmer (c1770-)‎ and Rebecca Unknown (c1770-)‎, claiming to be parents of Richard Palmer (1800-1875)‎‎. We have two options:
  • Keep these parents, with a note to say that it is doubted.
  • Delete these parents' pages, remove the links from Richard Palmer's page, and add a note about disputed parents.
It sounds like you would prefer the latter, which also sounds better to me. I can delete the "parent's" pages for you if you like. Thurstan (talk) 07:20, June 14, 2019 (UTC)

Some deletionsEdit

Hi Thurstan,

Many moons ago, I created some pages about some family that I would like deleted. I'm not comfortable with this information being publicly available. Could you please delete:

Thank you in advance,

SSDGFCTCT9(Talk) x10px x10px x10px x10px 21:09, August 15, 2019 (UTC)

Done. Thurstan (talk) 21:29, August 15, 2019 (UTC)
Much appreciated. Have a good one. SSDGFCTCT9(Talk) x10px x10px x10px x10px 12:08, August 16, 2019 (UTC)

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Thanks for helping Edit

Thanks for your help on Christopher Lee Spears . I knew I didn't do it right so asked an administrator, but you got to it first. How do I add he died from a traffic collision? Shake Spears (talk) 21:36, October 11, 2019 (UTC)

Cause of death is stored in Property:Death causes, which appears as parameter "death_causes" on {{Showfacts person}}, which appears as "Cause(s) of death:" on Form:Person. The next task for you for Christopher Lee Spears (1992-2010) is to add the Years-of-birth for his parents. Note that his mother's link should use her maiden name, not her married name, per standard genealogical practice. Thurstan (talk) 00:46, October 12, 2019 (UTC)
Butting in here! If either parent is still living (which I'm confident is true in this case), birth year can be regarded as too sensitive and we have the recommended option of "(living)". WikiTree shows such people with birth decades, but that could complicate our systems at present. --- Robin Patterson (Talk) 01:27, October 12, 2019 (UTC)
I disagree: (living) is too ambiguous. What do we do with "John Smith (living)"? I know that you disagree, but I don't think we should have pages for living people, nor for people whose parents are still alive. I think we should avoid privacy questions with a century gap, the way some public records do. Thurstan (talk) 02:04, October 12, 2019 (UTC)
Well, it was you that asked for birth years in this case! I would be happy to leave them the way the contributor had them. But you probably want to delete the article too? --- Robin Patterson (Talk) 05:32, October 12, 2019 (UTC)
The contributor had no dates on pagenames anywhere: I added the dates. Thurstan (talk) 05:33, October 12, 2019 (UTC)
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