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Blocking a reverter Edit

Mate, please have a look at and the reverter's talk page and tell me whether you think a three-day block was too harsh or not harsh enough! (PS - I'm sorry to see that bushfires are now affecting Canberra.) --- Robin Patterson (Talk) 11:32, January 23, 2020 (UTC)

Well, I was thinking of being much harsher than that, but I don't really know how to get through to someone like that. (Canberra has had smoke has hanging around for months, and has had the worst air quality on the planet some days. We have just had rain come through, headed by a destructive hail storm. But it looks like, ʾin shāʾ Allāh, we are not getting the fires in town). Thurstan (talk) 20:33, January 23, 2020 (UTC)

Template:Portable infobox person Edit shows a lot of work, but do we want people creating pages with it? Somebody did it a few days ago. Is there an easy way to convert that to full SMW? --- Robin Patterson (Talk) 20:53, February 3, 2020 (UTC)

We certainly don't want people using it directly, since it sets no properties: it is for use by {{showfacts person}} for display. The recent example looks like fiction to me, and I intended to delete it after a while. If you can find some real documentation for it, we could keep it. It shouldn't be difficult to convert. Thurstan (talk) 21:28, February 3, 2020 (UTC)
Good. I've put a warning on the template and queried the article. --- Robin Patterson (Talk) 00:07, February 5, 2020 (UTC)

Another one - and you may have missed it. Is there a way to stick a flag in that template so that it pops up on a watchlist when used improperly? Or - better - could you tweak it so that it doesn't display when used outside the proper context? --- Robin Patterson (Talk) 12:25, August 6, 2020 (UTC)

And - I missed that one; portable infobox writer!! --- Robin Patterson (Talk) 12:32, August 6, 2020 (UTC)

I have been carefully ignoring what look like more "fan posts" (as opposed to genealogy). I don't think we can stop the template being used, but a bit of DPL will find improper use. Thurstan (talk) 21:31, August 6, 2020 (UTC)

Script errors Edit

Iloilo has not come over well from WP. See where I tried to cut out the worst bits - but could you apply your expertise to the script errors? --- Robin Patterson (Talk) 00:06, February 5, 2020 (UTC)

I think we are in for a hiding for nothing. As you would know, one of ways the young studs earn their spurs on Wikipedia is revamping the {{Convert}} templates, especially now that there is scripting, so we are very out of date. However copying the Lua modules directly from Wikipedia doesn't work, since our implementation of the script is deficient. Several of our regular contributors (of little technical know-how) have been copying templates and modules from Wikipedia with gay abandon, so a lot of our templates are now broken. I have not worked out how to debug the scripting, so I have generally given up trying to fix it. Thurstan (talk) 05:33, February 5, 2020 (UTC)
Fair enough, now that I look at Category:Pages_with_script_errors. --- Robin Patterson (Talk) 11:38, February 5, 2020 (UTC)

"Not to be confused with..." Edit

Please see whether Liberty, Texas needs something done to its hatnote that we can easily do. --- Robin Patterson (Talk) 23:16, February 16, 2020 (UTC)

I have added a new parameter to {{Distinguish‎}} to mimic Wikipedia (theirs has been reworked to use Lua). Please keep your eye out for anything I have broken in the process. Thurstan (talk) 04:57, February 17, 2020 (UTC)
I have opened the first half dozen pages that link to it and seen no irregularities, even at - so you are probably OK. Thanks for the effort. --- Robin Patterson (Talk) 21:58, February 17, 2020 (UTC)

template Edit

I had been having fun with that - moved most of the lines to the wrong headings. Genius didn't seem to notice. (|:-D ----- Robin Patterson (Talk) 10:41, March 18, 2020 (UTC)

Well, I noticed a double redirect amongst that lot, and decided it was time to clean it up. Thurstan (talk) 21:18, March 18, 2020 (UTC)

Don't have the mw:InstantCommons option on my wikiEdit

Hi and good evening Thurstan, i looked at my wiki and tried to find an option that enables images from Wikimedia Commons but it is not there. So i am wondering of where i can contact any central wiki administrator to inform them that on my wiki the mw:InstantCommons option is not enabled. --Matthewb531 (talk) 03:09, April 1, 2020 (UTC)

We are talking about wikia a.k.a. Fandom aren't we? I would send an e-mail to the "support" link at the bottom of the screen, asking for it to be enabled. Thurstan (talk) 03:29, April 1, 2020 (UTC)

Asking for InstantCommons to be enabledEdit

Hello and Good morning Thurstan, i am ready to send an email to fandom about enabling InstantCommons on my wiki. When you said today to send an e-mail to the "support" link at the bottom of the screen, do i go to "contact us"? --Matthewb531 (talk) 15:07, April 1, 2020 (UTC)

Yes, that would be the spot I think (it is years since I did this). Tell them the name of your wiki, and ask if the option can be enabled. Thurstan (talk) 20:53, April 1, 2020 (UTC)
Hi, re Alice Whittle, I found her in the !901 Census with her Mum Hannah, sisters Grace, Mary

and Elizabeth. Couldn't find her in the 1911 Census but did find a Marriage Record for Alice Whittle m Ernest Smith, Father named James Whittle. There are two possible Children Dorothy b. 1914 in Bolton and Walter b 1915 in Chorley, both Counties of Lancashire?? I don't know if this is any help to identify if this matches what her Great Great Granddaughter's information but would love to know if I'm on the right track! Atleast one sibling ended up in Canada, Brother Edwin and more than likely brother Thomas as well but I still have to confirm this. Good Hunting. Lynne Down. 04:44, April 5, 2020 (UTC)

Notes not showing Edit

John Swan (c1832-) has a screenful of children notes but there's no sign of them in the display. What have I done wrong? --- Robin Patterson (Talk) 09:51, April 6, 2020 (UTC)

SMW seems to have trouble parsing notes and sources at times: for example, if you use the Wikipedia "cite" templates the notes won't show. I think the root problem is something about the HTML tags. You could try without the "pre" tags. Thurstan (talk) 10:34, April 6, 2020 (UTC)
Thank you. OK now that I have moved the pre section to the talk page. Then a slightly different problem comes up 6 days later! --- Robin Patterson (Talk) 01:48, April 13, 2020 (UTC)

Children notes not showing but their refs are Edit

Please look at my new page Hugh Ottes Swynford (1340-1372) and see if you can work out why the children notes are not displaying for me. Tomorrow will be quite early enough - I'm off to bed. --- Robin Patterson (Talk) 13:35, April 12, 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for dealing with it. Now please see the new page Help:Notes and sources and offer your expertise to improve it. --- Robin Patterson (Talk) 01:36, April 13, 2020 (UTC)

Another birthday Edit

And you celebrate by doing boring useful stuff that Andrei used to do. Great work! I hope you and your friends and family are all keeping clear of COVID-19. --- Robin Patterson (Talk) 11:29, April 19, 2020 (UTC)

Well, we are not in lockdown, but we are "social distancing", so it is mostly sitting around in front of the computer. Luckily we are not very social. Thurstan (talk) 20:17, April 19, 2020 (UTC)

Ancestors' birth nations Edit

Can you give me an idea of why my friend is not showing all of the birth nations that his ancestors are? Not even the warning triangles that some of them have. SMW limitation? I have re-edited them all the way down from Rob Roy. --- Robin Patterson (Talk) 02:00, April 24, 2020 (UTC)

Well, John Drummond (1796-1871) shows them all, but his son Alexander (Old Sandy) Drummond (1839-1930) does not. Does a "null edit" of "Old Sandy" fix him? If you get him right, continue with each generation down. I see no reason for it not to work, it works for thousands of other "descendants" of Charlemagne. Thurstan (talk) 06:02, April 24, 2020 (UTC)
Thank you. I was sure I had done that to all of them successively but I must have had another senior moment at Old Sandy and not edited him. At least now I can show Grant that a Familypedia page can do at least two things that a Geni page can't. --- Robin Patterson (Talk) 10:37, April 24, 2020 (UTC)

Good work Edit

But too fast. I was coming back to fix that footer, where I had just seen that my stupid laptop had done a double-click so that the brace got killed while I was deleting the redundant line below. I hit Edit and flipped down and was incredulous to see it fixed. Vigilance!

I've been disambiguating Halifax links. Several dozen. One might hope that a decent-sized city in England that gave its name to others would have the single word in WP, but not this time.

--- Robin Patterson (Talk) 07:27, May 2, 2020 (UTC)

Looking at my wikiEdit

Since you wanted to look at my wiki just to check, here is the link Ethnic diversities of Argentina Wiki. It does include the svg type by the way. Though i did manage to rename any image from svg.png to svg but image itself goes blank and it would not work. So then i tried to upload that is svg when the file is svg.png but that i don't like that. For me to upload any svg file is not easy. Anyway, i really would like to know how to upload any svg file just like the users here uploaded svg files. For example, these images below are svg not svg.png.--Matthewb531 (talk) 16:29, June 2, 2020 (UTC)

I have just uploaded w:c:ethnic-diversities-of-argentina:File:Thurstan.test.svg from a random svc file I had, and it seems to have worked (do you think it worked?). Can you give me a link to one of the svg files that you have uploaded that doesn't work? Thurstan (talk) 22:31, June 2, 2020 (UTC)

Link to the imageEdit

Here is the link File:WPVG_icon_2016.svg.png, though at times i tried renaming svg.png files to svg but that would do such a thing. Renaming that file to svg on my computer to upload it on my wiki but the image on my desktop goes blank. Once again, the link will take you.--Matthewb531 (talk) 00:03, June 3, 2020 (UTC)

That image shows okay to me. Thurstan (talk) 05:24, June 3, 2020 (UTC)

United StatesEdit

Could you update the government official section of the United States page? The page currently has government officials listed who served during the Obama administration.

Please note that our geographical pagenames follow Wikipedia: please don't monkey with them. Thurstan (talk) 20:26, July 5, 2020 (UTC)

Australian marriages Edit

Where should I look for a marriage that was probably in Victoria?

James Henry Gibson 1829–1906 • LVFN-DKL ​​
Marriage: 1855
Jane L Unknown 1837–1867 • LVFN-6TZ

Robin Patterson (Talk) 02:36, November 17, 2020 (UTC)
They have a website, but there is a charge. However many years ago I downloaded CSV files of the indexes (I have no idea where from). I think your match may be:
1852,02709,F,Nicholson,Jane,Gibson,James Henry,,denom(Presbyterian)parish(Melbourne & Geelong)
1852,02709,M,Gibson,James Henry,Nicholson,Jane,,denom(Presbyterian)parish(Melbourne & Geelong)
1852,33863,F,Nicholson,Jane,Gibson,James Henry,,denom(Presbyterian)parish(Melbourne & Geelong)
1852,33863,M,Gibson,James Henry,Nicholson,Jane,,denom(Presbyterian)parish(Melbourne & Geelong)
Note that these entries will be based on church records, and they often have two copies entered into the registers.
Thurstan (talk) 03:00, November 17, 2020 (UTC)
Their webpage is at Thurstan (talk) 03:45, November 17, 2020 (UTC)
You are a seriously good mate. But age 15? Was she OK marrying in Victoria then? Maybe the birth year was wrong. --- Robin Patterson (Talk) 12:27, November 17, 2020 (UTC)
Victoria, like New Zealand, doesn't charge for searching index to historical events (100 years etc). --- Robin Patterson (Talk) 00:52, November 18, 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia's newish location mapsEdit

Not sure if this has been raised before. See Hokitika infobox. We may need but we are likely to move into module territory with - so are we able to handle that? If so, we should probably create a relevant help page linked from Help:Copying from Wikipedia, with me doing some of the donkey work and you correcting and otherwise improving. --- Robin Patterson (Talk) 12:27, November 17, 2020 (UTC).

Coordinates Edit

Thank you for sorting the map thing in the background. But I don't understand the purpose or the edit summary of - all of the added parameters still appear in the template, which was copied from WP. Is that another quirk we need to deal with in copying because of slightly different software? --- Robin Patterson (Talk) 00:10, November 18, 2020 (UTC)

Yes, in 2017 Wikipedia did the "coordinates in infoboxes" updates, which updated all the place infoboxes not to need the coordinates separately, but to read them from the "coordinates" template. When you copy something like Hokitika from Wikipedia, you have to go back in the history to find that update, and get the old parameters. If you look at some of the many that other people have copied since then, they get an error message rather than the dot appearing on the location map. Thurstan (talk) 02:17, November 18, 2020 (UTC)
Thank you. I'll copy that explanation to some help page while you review Victoria. --- Robin Patterson (Talk) 04:10, November 18, 2020 (UTC)

Manawatū-Whanganui Edit

Officially changed from Manawatu-Wanganui about a year ago. I've created the updated category:Manawatū-Whanganui and "redirected" the original, but there will be hundreds of "facts" using it. Any chance User:ThurstanBot could change it wiki-wide? --- Robin Patterson (Talk) 07:25, November 29, 2020 (UTC)

I am afraid that AWB has not worked on this wiki for some years now, and I don't have an alternative. Thurstan (talk) 07:54, November 29, 2020 (UTC)
However, my todo lists notes that I should update {{Showfacts person}} to use the new FamilySearch URL for AFN searches. Will that suffice? Thurstan (talk) 08:00, November 29, 2020 (UTC)
Thank you. That might help some users but I search using names and I haven't found many on FamilySearch related to this section. The article redirect should work for most cases. I'll check for double redirects. --- Robin Patterson (Talk) 09:43, November 29, 2020 (UTC)

Cox birth and death in NZ Edit looks like one of your people. New Zealand Births, Deaths & Marriages Online: has :1899/13254 Cox Basil George Macpherson Barbara Catherine George Macpherson

Faulty "What links here" page - the deceased appears on at least two more of his ancestors' descendant pages (the Coxes).

Thanks for that Forlong-Gordon addition.

--- Robin Patterson (Talk) 10:57, December 5, 2020 (UTC)

Thank you, I had it on my "todo" list. I am not sure what the correct designation of his place of death is: you may be able to do better there. Thurstan (talk) 21:56, December 5, 2020 (UTC)

HotCat Edit

Have you studied, which has been in existence since 2008? Could it be used or adapted for Wikia? --- Robin Patterson (Talk) 13:19, December 5, 2020 (UTC)

Juelson family and the Adventure videos (and variant) contributor and his relativeEdit

I'm working on them. Don't try helping before next week if at all. --- Robin Patterson (Talk) 02:29, December 8, 2020 (UTC)

Thank you. Thurstan (talk) 04:04, December 8, 2020 (UTC)
Surnames Covey and Hicks and Anderson and Clausen and Olson, mostly originating from Norway and moving to Minnesota or Wisconsin. Fair coverage in FindAGrave and some on FamilySearch. For one-line pages, I have taken to copying all content to the talk page then deleting article and starting again (acknowledging original author); much less code to type in! (You may have worked that one out years ago.) --- Robin Patterson (Talk) 05:46, December 9, 2020 (UTC)
Actually, that method could be best for most upgrades. --- Robin Patterson (Talk) 03:48, December 14, 2020 (UTC)
I am inclined to think it more polite to leave the original contributor in the history as the page creator (and easier too), but that's just me. I sometimes leave their actual text, or just remove it if it includes no extra information. Thurstan (talk) 04:38, December 14, 2020 (UTC)

Still trying to fit the last of them into a busy December, so you're welcome to keep on keeping away unless you know of a more likely source than Find A Grave or FamilySearch. --- Robin Patterson (Talk) 03:48, December 14, 2020 (UTC)

Victoria Edit

I recently mentioned Victoria. Progress? Coordinates are a bit meaningless for large areas of land but I've been told that we need them. --- Robin Patterson (Talk) 10:28, December 9, 2020 (UTC)

Sorry, I missed that. It is not obvious. We have had a raft of wanna-bees mucking with our templates lately. Perhaps you can check all the templates that that page uses to see which have been updated lately. Thurstan (talk) 20:35, December 9, 2020 (UTC)

Short descendant tree Edit

Have you any idea why stops at gen 3? Third-gen Axel's descendant tree goes further. --- Robin Patterson (Talk) 02:42, December 15, 2020 (UTC)

I see five generations. Perhaps your browser has cached on older version. Thurstan (talk) 02:44, December 15, 2020 (UTC)
Thank you. Mysterious. Axel's table was created three days before Erik's, so the 4th and 5th should have been available to Erik right from the start. And I think I republished Erik's to see whether that made a difference. It didn't before I posted here, and on returning now I was still seeing only three for Erik, but a republish fixed him.
A related mystery is why one of the relatives shows no children even though the coding looks perfectly OK. I'll get back to you if I find he's still doing it tomorrow. Thanks again. --- Robin Patterson (Talk) 11:42, December 15, 2020 (UTC)

Jennifer Green? Edit

Came across when checking 1904. A 19th-century birth in the page name stood out. You clearly had some well-intentioned involvement but maybe more than you realised. Needs some sort of fix and maybe a new page for Jennifer. --- Robin Patterson (Talk) 01:01, December 17, 2020 (UTC)

Place name standards Edit

OK. I will fix up and follow from now on...


Precision Edit

Of course you meant "Current nation" rather than "country" fields; the latter could very easily be "misleading" (to use one of your recent words) - suggesting Current province/state/UK "country":. Happy New Year to you and your bird-watching companion. --- Robin Patterson (Talk) 12:28, January 1, 2021 (UTC)

It seems to me that we have had a slew of newbies entering "Australia" into the "County" field, so it seems that "County" is being misread as "Country" Thurstan (talk) 22:13, January 1, 2021 (UTC)

sibs etc Edit

Your upgrade of Sarah Pearsall (1644-1729) seems to have omitted the sibs template. I've added it. But I was pleased not to see the ineffective NOTOC! Have you tried my method (for correctly-named pages) of copying a beginner's page to the talk page then deleting the original and starting again so as to get all the current standard templates in one hit (then copy the "talk" page - for what it's worth - back in)?

Noting the namesakes and notable family, and bearing in mind that they show nothing unless they have content, I wondered whether we should include them in the standard form.

--- Robin Patterson (Talk) 04:36, January 11, 2021 (UTC)

I don't really see the value of copy to the talk page. Thurstan (talk) 04:41, January 11, 2021 (UTC)

Alfa template Edit

I would welcome any comments on the alfa template I have developed, which can be included in the pages of any school and link it to the pages of all the alumni, faculty or educators. You can see how it works if you look at the page of Harvard University. When the final version is reached, I will also prepare the documentation pages. Afil (talk) 19:57, January 12, 2021 (UTC)

Local links - Charles Wall Edit

Thank you for the guidance on using local links instead of public links. I will follow from now on. Much easier.--Mcmoore01 (talk) 00:12, January 13, 2021 (UTC)

No worries. Thurstan (talk) 00:18, January 13, 2021 (UTC)
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