User talk:Marianne Dillow

Correspondence
Edited copy of email exchange, early May 2009:

On Fri, 5/8/09, Robin-P  wrote:
From: Robin-P  Subject: Re: Genealogy Wikia - from Eltonheads to Daniels To: mdillow31 at verizon.net Date: Friday, May 8, 2009, 10:25 AM

Hello again, Marianne. Some of us have been tinkering with your ancestors' pages so that most of them are now in standard form with info pages that display basic data and children and siblings and ahnentafel almost automatically. Most of them also have, below the automatic table of children, the additional paragraphs you added with the children's details and marriages. Comprehensive pages linking together nicely. Now some questions so that we can tie up a few loose ends. 1    Which one of the children of Vivion Daniel (1726-1803) and his cousin's daughter Elizabeth Vivion is your direct ancestor? I'll create an info page, etc, for him or her - although if it's Vivion (b 1765) I've already done it. And I'd be happy to add his or her children to the page. 2    You say at one point that John Vivion II (1681-1727) and his wife Elizabeth are your 5th-great-grandparents. His sister Margaret was one, but her son married John's grand-daughter (as mentioned above). Is there another, shorter, line from you to John that you haven't put on the site or shall I just treat that "5th" as an understandable error? 3    You may have confused Martha Thacker (b 1701) (daughter of Henry Jr.), who married Rice Curtis in 1723, with her aunt Martha (daughter of Henry Sr.), who married Thomas Hickman in 1683 and became an Obama ancestress. On at least one page you said Martha married Rice then Hickman. Maybe another very understandable confusion helped by the similar names? 4    What year do you and your best advisers think was the birth year of Martha Eltonhead? The Web offers at least five different years. We can obviously discount "1678" but the other four may be possible. If she was married in 1640 or even 1642 (producing Edwin Jr. in 1644), birth in 1628 (or even 1625?) seems wholly or somewhat unlikely, which leaves one of the earlier mentioned years as the most likely. There will be more questions later (e.g. President Madison's ancestry), but the above will help us firm up your direct ancestors and Obama's. Kind regards [Mr] Robin Forlonge Patterson, 88 Motuhara Road, Plimmerton, Porirua City 5026, New Zealand Member of NZ Society of Genealogists since 1974 http://wc.rootsweb.com/~robinp And see http://genealogy.wikia.com/ a free cooperative MediaWiki site, and my easy introduction to it at http://squidoo.com/Genealogy-Wiki.

Marianne's reply
Hi Robin, In answer to your questions;

1 Descent from Vivion Daniel
I descend from Vivion Daniel (1726-1803) and Elizabeth Vivion (bef1737-bef1798)'s [child] but I don't want to post anything else on that as that is getting too close to my parents and myself which I don't want on the internet because of safe guarding identities. I don't want to add anything beyond this point on the internet.

2 Relationship to John Vivion II
I descend from two children of John Vivion II (1681-1722) and Elizabeth Thacker (1694-1732). (Elizabeth Thacker is the daughter of Henry Thacker, Jr and Elizabeth Payne and.... Henry Thacker, Jr is the son of Henry Thacker, Sr and Eltonhead Conway.) John Vivion II and Elizabeth Thacker's two children who both are my grandparents:
 * 1) John Vivion III (1714-aft1791), my grandfather, born 10 Aug 1714 Old Christ Church, Middlesex Co., Va. died after 1791 in Fayette Co., Ky. He married Jane Smith (1715-1804).
 * 2) Margaret Vivion (1684-1727), my grandmother and John Vivion III's sister, married James Daniel (c1680-1748), He was born Abt 1680-1748, Middlesex Co., Va.  and son of Capt. William Daniel and Jochabed unknown.

3 Martha Thacker (two of)
Martha Thacker is the sister of my grandfather Henry Thacker, Jr. I thought she married Rice Curtis but could be wrong on that but I do know for a fact that she married Thomas Hickman that goes to Barack Obama. That much is fact. Hickman is right and that Martha is a sister to my Henry Thacker, Jr. Please don't confuse her with the other Martha Thacker.

4 Martha Eltonhead's birth date
I have as Martha Eltonhead's birth date :  26 Sep 1628 in Eltonhead, Lancashire England.

President James Madison comes through my Conway line.

 * Edwin Conway, Sr and Martha Eltonhead
 * Edwin Conway, Jr and Elizabeth Thornton
 * Col. Edwin Conway and Ann Ball
 * Francis Conway and Rebecca Caltett
 * Eleanor Rose Conway and James Madison, Sr.
 * Pres. James Madison and Dorothea Payne Todd.

Sorry but I don't have time to look up the dates. You can find them on the internet.


 * Best Wishes,
 * Marianne Dillow

Robin's ideas for response
1 Fair enough, no more said here about which child was a great-grandparent of one of M's grandparents

2 Sorry, M, you have confused them. Margaret who married James Daniel in 1704 was born 1684 and was a sister, not possibly a daughter, of John Vivion II (1681-1722) (both children of John Vivion I (c1655-1705) and Margaret Smith). Even if she had been John II' daughter, John would still be only 6th-great, not 5th-great.

3 Indeed. I'm not confusing them now, but M was confusing them as I stated.

4 OK, 1628 is the currently-shown birth year. Married at about 12 or 14.

Madison's purported ancestry can indeed be found on the internet. Not all versions agree with M's. For example, the National Society of madison Family Descendants.