User talk:Elrondlair

Haeremai, welcome, talofa, Willkommen, bienvenue, welkom
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Robin Patterson 12:19, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Ancestry chart suggestion
Elrondlair,

Here's an alternative for keeping track of what persons you're working on---This requires some familiarity with HTML, and is a bit cumbersome to use, but once in place, makes it easy to navigate around on your family tree. Only works effectively for about 5 generations no one chart, but you can create other charts for "deeper downs". Bill 12:59, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Your Ahnentafel ancestry layouts
I like them! But (as you will see from the celebrity actors) what a lot of fiddling they take after creating (which is in itself very easy, I presume, from a commercial program or website software) so as to look OK in wiki format! I wonder whether we can automate some of the conversion.

Keep up the good work.

Robin Patterson 22:36, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

I wasn't planning on doing detailed pages for the ancestors of the celebrities so included as much info as my program had. Unlike my personal ahnentafel which I hope to eventually have pages for each of my ancestors. I will have to look into what I can do before I do any other celebrities. Thanks --Will 02:04, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Changing a page name
Your recent blanking of a page puzzles me. Couldn't you just correct the name by using the Move tab? Robin Patterson 12:01, 5 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Sorry, still new at this. I have now moved this into a page for a new person.  Now there won't be a useless page.  --Will 02:02, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

On the same subject, Will, I've renamed your Person page, as explained in the Move log. It's a good-looking addition to the list of "templates" offered, so I've included it at Help:Starting_pages. I hope I've done it right!! You may still tinker with it as much as you like. Robin Patterson 05:21, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

General help
See Forum:General_genealogy_help.. I won't always be so prompt!! (Suggestion: don't add a full stop after a heading or subject name in an input box - unnecessary and might even lead to errors, such are the mysteries and vagaries of URLs.) Robin Patterson 02:04, 10 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Sorry, what is a "full stop"? --Will 02:05, 10 April 2007 (UTC)


 * "." - compare Forum:General_genealogy_help with Forum:General_genealogy_help.. Robin Patterson 03:53, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Surname categories fleshed out and linked to other pages
See http://genealogy.wikia.com/index.php?title=Category:Shade_Surname&action=history - there is some tidying and detailing you can do if you like, but it can stay "as is". Robin Patterson 03:53, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

County pages - your idea is taking off and/or taking root
Please see http://genealogy.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:County_Pages_Idea#.22Model_County.2C_Statename.22_articles if you haven't already.

I mentioned it on the email list, nearly two days ago, but few people see that, apparently.

Robin Patterson 13:10, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

OK- I put in my application for sysop.
Genealogy:Requests for adminship. Thanks for considering this. I am asking for your vote. ~  Ph l o x  02:35, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Getting the original look back.
Answer in Forum:New Look. I apologize that this affected you, and am a little baffled why you even saw the new look. Did you see it after you logged in? PhloxBot 23:52, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Deletions etc in a page you were working on
See the history of Descendants of Thomas Hugh Buckingham Sr. (1824-1898). Robin Patterson 04:49, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Mailing list
Hello again, Will. I'm pleased to see you maintaining your edit "ranking" above mine in the Statistics.

I hope you, as a major contributor, are on the wiki's mailing list. If not, please have a look at Forum:Mailing list for this wiki and consider joining.

Kind regards

Robin Patterson 11:42, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

New bot: AMK152Bot

 * Please see this discussion, in regards to flagging it. - AMK152 (talk • contribs) 03:32, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Evan Rachel Wood
I hate to undo your research but according to the IMDB and most sources Wood's mother was the Sara Lynn Moore born March 6, 1958 in Los Angeles, California -. Belldrop 03:56, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Person templates
Hi, Will. I noticed in Recent Changes a few hours ago that one of your new pages was getting an old-style surname category. I followed your user-page template to its current redirect and checked that template. It has the new surname category link. Maybe you're using an old copy of the person template? AMK said he had fixed them all, but maybe yours is offline for instant copying? Kind regards --Robin Patterson 04:35, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Here's my copy of Recent changes (slightly edited for better display; times UTC+12) showing what I think is at least three getting "Surname" instead of "(surname)":

N   14:34:03 Jason Patric Miller (1966) (diff; hist). . (+2,758) . . Elrondlair (Talk | contribs | block) (New page: ... Category:Miller Surname ...) +-    14:27:22 Genealogy:Person Template‎ (3 changes). . (+27) . . (Page history) [AMK152‎; Elrondlair‎; Robin Patterson‎]
 * 14:27:22 (cur; last) . . (+147) . . Robin Patterson (Talk | contribs | block) (Updating a little)
 * 09:03:14 (cur; last) . . (-78) . . AMK152 (Talk | contribs | block) (update)
 * 08:42:40 (cur; last) . . (-42) . . Elrondlair (Talk | contribs | block)

+-N   13:48:48 Brian Ray Trout (1970)‎ (2 changes). . (+4,184) . . (Page history) [Elrondlair‎ (2×)]
 * 13:48:48 (cur; last) . . (+184) . . Elrondlair (Talk | contribs | block) (→Spouse: )
 * N   13:45:26 (cur; last) . . (+4,000) . . Elrondlair (Talk | contribs | block) (New page: ... Category:Ulrich Surname ...)

N   12:59:30 Campbell Scott (1961) (diff; hist). . (+3,568) . . Elrondlair (Talk | contribs | block) (New page: ... Category:Scott Surname ...)

That change has been given a bit of publicity recently. See Forum:Surnames.

Robin Patterson 06:00, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

"Died in Somesuch County, Mystate"
Hi! As one of the more recent editors this month, you can be among the first to know that it is now very easy to create a category page for "Died in Somesuch County, Mystate" in the United States. See Template:d-us. When you see that a person page is in a category like that but it's a red link, you can very quickly fix it and thereby make the link much more useful. (I probably don't need to include that last sentence for you! You've been a prime mover in this county page business.) Robin Patterson 06:19, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

"br"
Hi! Good to see you beavering away still.

I noticed you added a "br" tag to a template. I think there is talk of phasing out that tag in favour of "br /> - something to do with XML.

Good news is that it's one of the new buttons I added to the row of edit buttons that appear above the edit box if you have java enabled. One click to insert the whole tag.

Well, they were there a minute ago! Temperamental things.

— Robin Patterson (Talk) 06:31, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Info pages
Will, I read your note that came and went. For many months, I didn't understand enough about info pages to create even one properly. But by pestering the experts I have found enough answers, and I'm creating info pages almost blindfold while helping to improve the explanations.

The explanations must now be pretty good. I judge that one or two of every three new contributors can be found creating info pages with hardly a foot wrong. Have another read, maybe, then go to one of your shorter articles. Copy its name to your clipboard, then in a separate window follow the procedure for adding an info page to an existing article: start at the first heading on Help:Alternative types of page for individual ("Strongly recommended format using info pages").

— Robin Patterson (Talk) 06:05, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

THANKS
I thank you for your help ! Regards, Fred Bergman 06:35, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

Showing descendancy
Found the most recent discussion: Forum:Standardizing subpages of people pages. — Robin Patterson (Talk) 05:17, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Trouble with the new rich text facility
Will, if you've been using it, please go to your preferences and turn it off. It incorporates the troublesome CategorySelect, which mucks up every info page you look at. See Forum:CategorySelect.

I've fixed three of your people but I expect there are more. Each may need editing of the article (except the one I edited) before it adopts the corrected info page.

— Robin Patterson (Talk) 10:15, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the quick response. CategorySelect moves to the end of a page (after a "newline" or "carriagereturn" - called "Enter" on modern keyboards) any category it finds. The resulting newline adds unwanted newlines to every "get" template that tries to use the page; that produces unwanted cells in tables and expressions that are supposed to be links but aren't links because there's a newline before the closing brackets.

If Rich Text is unchecked in your prefs, that may be because Wikia has now responded to my request that it be turned off here. I suggest that you check your contributions - every info page, not just the new ones - for the last few days to see what's at the bottom. The bad ones will have. Move the category link up a couple of lines to sit just before the previous, and delete the noinclude tags left at the bottom. I've done a couple of Butlers since talking to you. I forget which ones I had done before that. I found them all by chance because I was checking which pages are successfully using "showinfo siblings". Then I got interested in the Butlers because one of my relatives once said we descend from them.

Once the info page is fixed, you probably need to do a trivial edit to the article before it will fully incorporate the corrections.

— Robin Patterson (Talk) 01:48, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Phlox has now changed the template in an attempt to ensure that CategorySelect doesn't mess with it. Meantime, we can still let it mess up our pages if they use the old version. See what you are reported to have done to poor Elizabeth (presumably by not disabling CategorySelect or category tagging): http://genealogy.wikia.com/index.php?title=Elizabeth_Butler_(c1422-1473)/info&curid=110119&diff=293747&oldid=288025

--— Robin Patterson (Talk) 06:02, 28 June 2009 (UTC) :-)

Thank you for extending my family tree
I had branched into the Crawfords because they have the current shortest line to an ancestor of Queen Elizabeth, but there's plenty of nobility in the Gordons. And it's lovely to see that old books I used to lug around in libraries have now come under the tender loving care of Google! — Robin Patterson (Talk) 03:28, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Your former format for person articles
I notice that you are no longer creating articles using your former template (eg Diane Hall (1946)). Would you object to these being upgraded to SMW format articles (eg: those in Category:Facts articles- person)? 01:51, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Marie Tol-Remington
Hi Will,

Much obliged if you could trace my cousin Marie who moved with her father Wouter Tol (1874-1951) to Portland OR and "married Mr Remington and had three children". She seems to be my only relation in the US who had children!

Richard rtol 13:12, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Peter Stanley

Hi Thanks for your help. I cant find the link at all I am not convinced Tudorplace is correct I know the line goes back to the Plangatenets as my great Aunt saw a tree when she was a girl and was shown the line right back to the monarchy and that tree was decades old I just need validation to be happy.

Fussy soul arent I.

Linda Challinor 14:36, September 29, 2009 (UTC)Linda--Linda Challinor 14:36, September 29, 2009 (UTC)