User talk:Rtol/archive10

Rtol -- question
You edited my post for GEORGE SCHOEFFEL. Can you help me to add birth/death dates to his children? I cannot figure out how to do it -- and don't have all day to, besides!!! If you would, I would gladly just email you the dates to add??? But, you'll probably tell me that I'd never learn that way...

Thank you.

hberry

Hberry 18:00, February 3, 2010 (UTC)

Veranderingen
De structuur van de site is nogal veranderd, met name om de boel sneller te maken.

De tijdrovende templates staan nu allemaal op de /sensor pagina:

De pagina's /tree en /descendants  lezen gevevens van de sensor pagina.

De volgorde van aanmaak is dus persoon, persoon/sensor, persoon/tree, persoon/descendants.

Echter, je kunt ook alleen persoon aanmaken. Een bot voegt dan later de andere drie pagina's toe. rtol 09:32, February 6, 2010 (UTC)

/info pagina's zijn overbodig. rtol 09:33, February 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * bedankt voor deze aanvullende info, ik heb nog wat gestoeid met wel bestaande oude info pagina's, maar verdwenen hoofdpagina's; kennelijk hebben die oude info pages geen functie meer en zouden vewijderd moeten worden ?--Fred Bergman 09:37, February 6, 2010 (UTC)

People with question-marks in their dates
I notice Beatrix von Schwaben (?-aft1025). I should keep an eye on progress with her in case it helps me understand my recently reported problems. Keep up the great work! — Robin Patterson (Talk) 12:33, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

Use of Familypedia material on Rodovid
Please have a look at http://nl.rodovid.org/wk?title=Sjabloon:SCat&action=edit

Fred has copied our code without a hint of the acknowledgment that our licence requires. He's probably not allowed to do that even with acknowledgment, because the licences are not the same.

He's possibly allowed to copy his Dutch version of the English instructions, but that's debatable. It's a fairly close translation, isn't it?

Would you like to offer an opinion?

— Robin Patterson (Talk) 12:44, February 21, 2010 (UTC)

Energetic new creator of pages with forms
Thank you for the alert. I looked through the 400+ edits. Look good in principle! Departures from naming conventions are mostly (as far as I can judge from just looking - though you have more experience with the medieval naming) just omitting dates. That's not a problem, as long as we (e.g. any of us who are not quite as clued-up as you are on technical stuff and can therefore tinker) eventually move them to "standard" names then convert the redirects to hndis pages. And if it's the Wikipedia name it's good - makes us more findable. Tell me if I've missed anything significant! Email, if you prefer, in the next couple of hours or "tomorrow" (as it's 2211 here). — Robin Patterson (Talk) 09:11, February 23, 2010 (UTC)

About Ava de Ribagorza
I think that is a rule of introduction of NAMES in WIKIA that one must use the same used in WIKIPEDIA.

So I consider "Ava de Ribagorza" (an Spanish name) more adequate than "AVA DE RIBAGORCE" (as you have copied from the French site).

But, no problem, since you are a very active contributor of this site (almost 30 thousands editions), I left the reason to you!

Feel free and easy to change everything (as usual)!

Sorting in surname categories
As I noted on Forum:Should I nuke Defaultsort lines?, the SMW equivalent of DEFAULTSORT isn't working properly. It should have an exception for surname categories, as our old Surname did. Surname categories are starting to look silly. Please tell me where I can find the coding so as to try to fix it. — Robin Patterson (Talk) 01:00, March 2, 2010 (UTC)

Gelderland and its other spellings and its rulers
Thanks for keeping an eye on me. I had seen a few earlier ones, but the line that interests me tonight goes up through some women.

I think we should be making clearer rules about which language of Wikipedia we use for page names.

— Robin Patterson (Talk) 13:12, March 3, 2010 (UTC)

Creating facts pages from info pages
If you know how to do that easily, please do Mary Stewart, Princess of Scotland (1453-1488), who is surrounded by facts page people. — Robin Patterson (Talk) 23:49, March 5, 2010 (UTC)

Anne de Foix
http://familypedia.wikia.com/index.php?title=Louis_II_of_Hungary_%281506-1526%29&curid=161543&diff=464970&oldid=464963

Which Wikipedia calls her that? — Robin Patterson (Talk) 12:26, March 15, 2010 (UTC)

Wijerd Jelckama (c1490-1523)
Our Frisian contributors may be the best to watch Wijerd Jelckama (c1490-1523) and make its links to person pages go to redirects that lead to the proper Familypedia pages for the people.

His relative has a page but it redirects to a forum. It should have a link to the forum but should be moved to a standard page with dates and then copy whatever's suitable from WP.

Then we can look for the descendants that one or two of our enquirers are hoping for.

— Robin Patterson (Talk) 05:44, March 20, 2010 (UTC)

People on Wikipedia pages
Please offer some thoughts about User blog:Robin Patterson/Wikipedia's people pages‎. — Robin Patterson (Talk) 14:03, March 22, 2010 (UTC)

Software problems
Affecting you too.

Wife: Adelheid von Laufen (?-?)">

Such is life. (PS, I've added to my blog item.)

— Robin Patterson (Talk) 13:40, March 24, 2010 (UTC)

More documentation for Project Charlemagne
Please check that my addition is about right. — Robin Patterson (Talk) 10:10, April 7, 2010 (UTC)

Redlinks in the To Do list
Today you say "However, I also note that

you are adding people in generation N but not deleting people from generation N-1, and that

you are adding redlinks."


 * 1) Adding - yes; not deleting parents - no; my first action in that part of the page was to delete a lady whose children had been found; the few I have added are children of others whose "known" children are all located
 * 2) Yes; on review I see that I had not taken in all of the simple rules or had later forgotten details (and I may add a note lower down to make it clearer); however, it seems to me that a person who appears to have no children is barely worth creating a page for (especially if no birth or death years), because he or she will not add to the later generations of the Project until he or she finds some; do you want them to sit unheralded on their parents' pages?

— Robin Patterson (Talk) 08:25, April 10, 2010 (UTC)

How to beat the bot and get someone showing the "Order" number
Someone's sensor page says she is Order 11. Her spouses have no "orders". What exactly is needed to ensure that her child's sensor page shows Order 12? — Robin Patterson (Talk) 08:25, April 10, 2010 (UTC)

Automatically, you say. Well, if that had been true I would not have asked. Thank you for the very detailed cure. From some of its detail, I presume that the "automatically" applies only after parent and child each have a sensor page that links to the other person and has been edited since that state of affairs arose. Onwards and downwards!! — Robin Patterson (Talk) 13:33, April 14, 2010 (UTC)

You invited a note if someone didn't get an order despite going through the procedure. John Pollok of Pollok (c1590-aft1610)/sensor had no Order after its recent save. His mother's sensor page was saved again just before that, and has "Order of Charlemagne	28 +". Each sensor page links to the other person. I'm off to bed very soon, late again. I'll see if you have a solution by morning. On this page will be fine, thanks! — Robin Patterson (Talk) 15:25, April 14, 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for whatever you did to him (as mentioned on my talk page), and presumably to his descendants. I'm Order 40 at the moment but I have a few other lines to complete! — Robin Patterson (Talk) 14:26, April 15, 2010 (UTC)

Sensor pages - manual creation and editing
You say "Sensor pages should have sensor on. detect tabs is but a small part of sensor. Note that if you break a sensor page, the fault will percolate up and down the family tree." I don't think I've ever added "detect tabs". The trouble with adding "sensor" is that the page often ends up with two sets of them, one from me and one presumably added by the form process. When I see one at the "edit" stage I usually delete it if I suspect that it is one that was manually added. If there is a detect tabs above it, I leave that alone.

What's the foolproof way to create a sensor page when the form won't do it? (We need to have it on the Help:Sensor page page.)

How does one "break" a sensor page and what "fault" percolates and how does it percolate if nobody touches the page?

— Robin Patterson (Talk) 01:14, April 14, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the clarifications on my talk page. I can more confidently update the help page. Now a related observation: The last two sensor pages I have created using the standard form have looked like this:

So does something need updating to add the tabs thing? — Robin Patterson (Talk) 06:44, April 14, 2010 (UTC)

Your response says "... Please try and create a new sensor page and report back if detect tabs is not there or twice". You seem to have fixed it, thank you. I created Mahlon Pitney (1858-1924)/sensor and saw that detect tabs was in place. But the page seemed to have doubled up (as discussed earlier). So I went on and created the descendants page. Now the sensor page is all OK without any doubling. Mysterious!! — Robin Patterson (Talk) 13:33, April 14, 2010 (UTC)

Sensor pages using standard form
All that I have created today have been done using the link in "Edit with form" after creating the tree subpage. Those that I have noticed before saving did not have the tabs detect. If I think it's a problem, I'll let you know some other day. — Robin Patterson (Talk) 14:26, April 15, 2010 (UTC)

Showfacts descendants
Please have a look or another look at Template talk:Showfacts descendants. Questions and requests there. — Robin Patterson (Talk) 05:09, April 18, 2010 (UTC)

Project Charlemagne/others
Not meant to be a complete study. See the introduction. I thought of properties, but for what I'm doing initially (just working down to the youngest person in Order 9 then beyond) it's very easy to carry on manually. I have all six sites sitting in windows and just move each one on for each Order. Recording the links, which can then go straight onto the individuals' pages. Have we got an extra child for KdG (Rothilde (?-852), childless) and for Chas the Bald (Hersinde (?-aft916), orphan at present but with many descendants)? - seems we may have. — Robin Patterson (Talk) 13:47, April 20, 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Rotrude (800-?)
Please study Talk:Rotrude (800-?). We may have to abandon a lot of nice short lines, regrettably. — Robin Patterson (Talk) 17:06, April 20, 2010 (UTC)

Sensor update process needs fixing
See Talk:Hedwige de Namur (c1035-c1070)/sensor. — Robin Patterson (Talk) 02:14, April 21, 2010 (UTC)

Naming standards
Long names will be quite easy to shorten as soon as we have an agreed naming standard. Until then, some readers will appreciate seeing all of the names that were passed from one generation to another and those that were not. — Robin Patterson (Talk) 11:55, April 28, 2010 (UTC)

Charlemagne
Charlemagne looks rather like a cut-down version of Charlemagne, and has some (removable) errors boldly displayed in his child boxes and some curiosities in his facts lists. (Why are his facts there?) But his /tree goes one generation further, I think, than what I recall seeing on WP. A link to it from Charlemagne called "Five generations of ancestors" might stick. Tell me if you think the presence of a WP admin might help.

His /children page is moving towards a similar state of comprehensiveness. That and his main page might be enhanced if we had pages for more of his partners, maybe using other-language Wikipedias and our usual crop of researchers' websites.

— Robin Patterson (Talk) 02:05, May 4, 2010 (UTC)

A state is now a nation-subdiv-1 (or something like that)
Of course it is. Anyone knows that. (You should not have needed four edits?!!!) Anyway, I'll revert the date range and the "state" to more specific items so that it's a more realistic demo. There may be things wrong with the other subpages too, but that one's a very good example to show off to the world. Thanks, pal. — Robin Patterson (Talk) 11:28, May 4, 2010 (UTC)

Page names matching Wikipedia names
Thurstan and I have been creating pages that will become redirects to our pages. He nobly (and/or cleverly) does them one at a time. Sometimes I find it much more efficient to do several at once then do the redirecting later (or hope that someone else will be inspired to), and the alsoWP makes it easy to grab the WP article if any of it might be useful to improve or create our page. When the article becomes a redirect, it will be very handy for the articles we have copied that link to it. — Robin Patterson (Talk) 15:23, May 30, 2010 (UTC)

Creative fiction
Your response was in the right direction. I've removed some absolutely unverifiable material and informed the author. Leave the page in "Globals missing- person" for a while. — Robin Patterson (Talk) 09:30, June 7, 2010 (UTC)

"?", "?", "?-?"

 * "Question marks are not very informative and they cause problems with forms (as they are a reserved character in the user interface).
 * "It would be good to replace the question marks with something else." rtol 07:25, April 13, 2010 (UTC)

Forum:Question marks causing problems

http://familypedia.wikia.com/index.php?title=Forum:Standards_on_dateless_individuals&t=20100601142725#Work-around

"Skuli of Norway (?-?)‎‎"??? "Skuli of Norway (?-‎‎". "Skuli of Norway (‎‎"

— Robin Patterson (Talk) 09:12, June 11, 2010 (UTC)

How can a page be added to Gen 13 of the "To do" list if the individual's mother appears to have no page?
Bard of Rein (c1150-1194); Gilbert I de Gevaudan (1065-1112); Hameline de Beaupréau (1107-?). — Robin Patterson (Talk) 09:04, June 13, 2010 (UTC)

And Mathilde van Saffenberg (c1120-1145), whose page you added to Gen 14 on 16 April, but whose displayed mother's page is a red link and definitely does not exist. 14:13, June 13, 2010 (UTC)

OK, I've read your reply, referring me back to the algorithm, which I once once made more watertight but which you then reverted to its flawed state.

The flaw (addressed by my edit that you reverted) is here:
 * Add the children to the to-do-list for generation N+1.

They should NOT go into N+1 if their other parent's Order number is N-1 or lower.

Moreover, on the reasoning you have today used to justify wholesale delisting of pages of people who had an Order number but did not have all children with individual pages, no page (even of a child whose page has just been created in accordance with the "simple" rules) should be added to any group ("to-do-list") unless the Order numbers of both parents are absolutely certain (e.g., don't add the page for any individual whose mother seems not to have a page, as above, because you can't be sure of the child's ultimate Order number).

But if someone has added such a page to a particular group, apparently in good faith, surely anyone wanting to delete that page from its group (e.g. Gen 12) should check that there was an actual possibility that that page's order number could later change to a lower figure (e.g. 11 or 10). You did not check all of the nineteen Generation 12 people in the 78 minutes between my addition and your deletion of them, unless there is something seriously wrong with the statement, higher up on that page, that "all individuals of generation 9 have a page" (added around the time generations 8 and 9 were declared "done"). Example (possibly not the only one): Louis VII of France is currently in Gen 12, thanks to grandparent Humbert in Gen 10. The other grandparents are Gen 11. If "all individuals of generation 9 have a page", there is no way that any of Louis VII's grandparents can get into Gen 9 and therefore no way that Louis VII can ever progress closer than his current Gen 12. So he should stay until all of his children have their own pages.

The manager of Project Charlemagne may lose his chief supporter if he again reverts serious work without discussion or at least checking the validity of the reversion. The project has the potential to be a real showpiece for any of the thousands of people around the world who are keen on medieval genealogy and eventually for more thousands as it moves inexorably towards more recent centuries. Let's work on making it as good as we can.

On a lighter note, but still dealing with the paqes mentioned in the heading:
 * At least one of the "motherless" Gen 13 people listed at the top may have suffered from what we might call querulitis: the failure of the software to handle question-marks in page names. I clicked the link and was presented with the format for creating a new page for someone whose page name ended in "(" or "-". Possibly all three have the same problem. We need to approach their mothers some other way and remove the question-marks that are or may be making valid links appear as "red-link-style" buttons that don't work as they should. I've done that for Charlemagne's children and am trying to clean up my ancestors and others with question-marks that could produce querulitis.

Good night, friend!! — Robin Patterson (Talk) 14:13, June 13, 2010 (UTC)

Henry's Ahnentafel
Please leave Henry's Ahnentafel alone for an hour or two. I have a big edit conflict to sort out — Robin Patterson (Talk) 11:52, June 27, 2010 (UTC)

I just got it sorted and there's another one. If that's you, PLEASE STOP. — Robin Patterson (Talk) 12:03, June 27, 2010 (UTC)

Stop deleting my work. You can add what you like but I get really cross when people delete my work without consultation. — Robin Patterson (Talk) 12:13, June 27, 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for stopping. (I have rarely "left" before 1 am NZ time, which is 1200 UTC in summer and 1300 UTC in this half of the year, and I sometimes go an hour or two later than that.) I fully expect to get more of Henry's ancestors here, but I thought I had got all up to his "127" from his sensor page, which may need another tickle. I've restored notes about the Henry Project because it will help us not to bother looking for more info there if Baldwin has less than what we have. — Robin Patterson (Talk) 12:36, June 27, 2010 (UTC)

I've finished with Henry II for the night. Next day's work can include the rest of the Project links up to the end of Gen 10, after which it gets more tedious because that site's table stops there. I'm not planning to add more blank numbers to that page, because the people are really thinning out and it's unnecessary scrolling over blocks that are never likely to be populated. So I don't mind who adds what from now on, but I don't want to lose anything I've typed. You have a bigger and much more important project to work on, and you are definitely the best person to work on it at present. Our imitation Henry Project may just encourage some other contributor (e.g. Will) to fill some gaps. — Robin Patterson (Talk) 14:48, June 27, 2010 (UTC)

Standard templates
On the subject of tidiness and uniformity and manual edits, please see Template talk:Footer. — Robin Patterson (Talk) 14:14, July 2, 2010 (UTC)

Hallo
Dus als ik het goed begrijp kunnen familielinnen van Nederlandse families komen? En jij spreekt Nederlands? Dat is cool. Ik zou graag willen helpen, maar het is zo groot :) --Station7 20:55, July 5, 2010 (UTC)

IK had nog een vraag. kun je het ook overnemen van andere sites? Dan bedoel ik mensen die hun stamboom op internet zetten. Ik deed 3 jaar geleden ook aan stambomen, maar als ik het zo zie blijft het interessant.--Station7 05:38, July 6, 2010 (UTC)

2 vragen. Ik wil niet klinken als een nieuwsgierig aagje :), maar ben jij deze persoon. En wat moet je doen als mensen niet hun naam op een pagina willen hebben? --Station7 14:27, July 6, 2010 (UTC)

De pagina die ik zojuist van mijn eigen gemaakt, het lukt niet helemaal. Kun je helpen? Dan weet je ook meteen wie ik ben.--Station7 14:43, July 6, 2010 (UTC)

Op jouw pagina, bij de sectie Siblings staat geen spatie tussen 2 en December. Ik weet niwet hoe ik dat kan doen voor jouw :) --Station7 15:18, July 6, 2010 (UTC)

Hoe kan ik pagina's editen? Hier werkt het anders dan normaal. ik kan het hier niet editen, is er een spciaal sjabloon/template voor?--Station7 17:25, July 6, 2010 (UTC)

Het leukste aan stambomen vindt ik van dat bijvoorbeeld een nicht met een neef een kind kreeg. Ik stam toevallig van zo'n familie af, waardoor ik dus 2 x afstam van 2 belangrijke "aartsvaders" of "stamvaders" zoals ik ze dan noem. Je komt er wel later achter. Of ik de stamboom van mijn moeder is andere koek. Ik heb een goeie connectie met mijn moeder, niet met mijn vader.--Station7 12:52, July 7, 2010 (UTC)

info date
I'm pleased you improved info date. Needs another tweak, I think - see my edit summary.

Now can you and User:AMK152 put your heads together to get a cut-down version of it on the Main Page as suggested on its talk page?

— Robin Patterson (Talk) 04:25, July 21, 2010 (UTC)

With the Wikia new look now settling in, could you revive or revise this idea? — Robin Patterson (Talk) 00:35, October 26, 2010 (UTC)

showfacts biography
Please fix it so it never displays "Rhoda E Place's ancestors are from ." on a page. — Robin Patterson (Talk) 05:26, August 25, 2010 (UTC)

Charles II of Napels (1254-1309)‎
Shouldn't he be Charles II of Naples? Thurstan 07:22, September 3, 2010 (UTC)

Demo-query has had something wrong with it
http://familypedia.wikia.com/wiki/Help:Semantic_MediaWiki/demo_query-range is meant to be something we can show off. But it has Ermengarde from the 10th century, displaying a 20th-century image. Please help fix it or tell me if it's impossible. — Robin Patterson (Talk) 14:21, September 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Now I can confidently lead people to that demo among others. And it may look slightly more appealing to US viewers now that I've added Pocahontas. — Robin Patterson (Talk) 01:30, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

Categories for standard subpages
Your recent tree subpage edits described as "(Replaced content with "") " have resulted in pages that are not in the hidden Category:Tree pages, which is what they are if done using either the form or Thurstan's system. Maybe it doesn't matter in the long term! But it may result in confusion. I've not looked at recent sensor or descendants pages of yours, but if there are similar divergences from the standard we should perhaps start a forum discussion about them so that our major types of pages relate properly and consistently to others of the same type. — Robin Patterson (Talk) 03:57, September 21, 2010 (UTC)

Your note to me and discussion with Thurstan, about whether categories should be in standard templates, are clearly related to the above heading. As you are clearly convinced that it affects page display, all Familypedians are potentially affected, so please set out your views in a forum item. That way, more people see the discussion and it can be categorized or linked to so that there is less chance that other contributors will waste time or reduce performance. — Robin Patterson (Talk) 00:55, October 23, 2010 (UTC)

Henry
Henry Arbuthnot (1803-1875) has no Swedish ancestors. I understand the way the template works but there should be an override. Arbuthnot 07:24, September 21, 2010 (UTC)

Language problem
Please see if you can add anything to Forum:Multilingual support problems. — Robin Patterson (Talk) 03:43, September 24, 2010 (UTC)

Reynhardus Adrianus Haentjens (1754-1799) (.nl)
Several of us have had a crack at the above. Maybe it's time for our resident Dutch speaker and SMW guru to give it a bit more tidying then move on using it as an example of aspects of the multilingual articles system that need more development. — Robin Patterson (Talk) 11:13, October 1, 2010 (UTC)

Help:Children
Please have a look at the new page Help:Children and improve or correct where practicable. — Robin Patterson (Talk) 00:38, October 26, 2010 (UTC)

Re: Help needed
Templates are a mess. I'm looking through showfacts person, and I'm seeing code which I believe to be pointless, correct me if i'm wrong, I haven't used the variable extension before. such as where these variables are never used again, also they aren't even getting , they are just getting text assigned to them. So the first thing i would suggest is to remove those from that templates. Secondly as I suggested on Thurstans talkpage would remove those 9 duplicate code with their only difference being the variable name. So basically first thing to do, remove pointless code, then condense it, then fix errors. S im A nt 20:58, November 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * Scratch that about variables, that is the old parser function i think for #set, it needs to be changed . S im A nt 21:10, November 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * everything semantic is just a mess... might need to start from scratch on those. S im A nt 21:32, November 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't think you have to remove the asdfa just change the

to what you want it to display. S im A nt 22:04, November 25, 2010 (UTC)


 * The coding seemed to be working well in March. (Though some code seeming to be currently unused is probably designed to be used when we extend the person form to cover more types of facts about people.) We took a few months to adjust to the SF upgrade but we seemed to have got it right again. Then the unannounced cutoff and only partly successful patch came from Wikia. That needs to be addressed. — Robin Patterson (Talk) 23:51, November 25, 2010 (UTC)


 * Losing the "string" codes would be most regrettable, because that's how we display labels etc in a user's preferred language. Based on, I believe. What is an alternative? — Robin Patterson (Talk) 23:51, November 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * The translations can be re added later if feasible. I'm working on redoing that template from scratch, can you direct me to a person using the old template that has a lot of marriages? For now i'm working on basic stuff, later i'll add properties to the mix. Also, is there any accounting for half-siblings I should know about? S im A nt 04:37, November 26, 2010 (UTC)


 * What does the variable, ifmarried-g2 stand for? S im A nt 23:09, November 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * I started from scrap on a test template, could you replace {{showfacts person... with "{{User:Simant/Sandbox...", on a page and click preview, and tell me what you think? S im A nt 23:35, November 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * What is the difference between person tempalte and showfacts person? Also, are there any places where queries are used besides testing if pages exist, and language conversion? S im A nt 00:02, November 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't see any queries at all on Showfacts children or any of the templates inside it. All inline queries that i have seen seem to be in template:showfact, template:getfact, template:string, Template:SMW_templates, all of the other templates are just setting properties... S im A nt 19:44, November 27, 2010 (UTC)

re: Help Needed
Hi there,

Sorry to hear that you're having trouble. I've passed your information onto our community support team, who will be following up.

Cheers,

- JeskaD 21:20, November 29, 2010 (UTC)

Re: Setting properties
To set a property so that it is displayed on the page use PropertyName::PropertyValue, you can also use WikiText view on page. If you just want to set a property that isn't viewed by the user as wikitext use S im A nt  18:46, December 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't know about the showfact and getfact templates, but the proper syntax for So you would need to do  You should use |link=none if that result is being put back into a template and used for further results, because Property:Parent is of type page (which helps with redirects). I'm happy to help with these questions, i Just can't work with the category structure it is too much of a mess... S im A nt  22:01, December 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Just noticed you were putting your tests at the bottom of the page, put them at the top. So that the bug with queries asking for the data on the same page does not occur, also only the first one asked of the tests will work. S im A nt 22:15, December 10, 2010 (UTC)

SMW appears to be functioning again for multiple queries about the same page. S im A nt 22:48, December 19, 2010 (UTC)